Just to clarify: if you "sudo ufw deny 80" and than run a docker container on 80 port, your 80 port would remain inaccessible (as per ufw rules)?

Even rootless docker usually pierce through that. Might be some setting in a podman, thought, never really worked with that.

I'd like to point out that this isn't a theoretical question.

You can add a bit of kefir to a potato-based salad, and it will remain a salad. But at one point it will actually turn into a cold kefir soup, which is a thing that exists.

Personally, I think it's the floating. As soon as first ingredient becomes buoyant (even partially), it's a soup.

The thing is you have to imagine a better garden in order to build one. Maybe you have to imagine bigger fence, or a guard, or moving house to a better part of town, or even a social change that would provide food for the hungry so they wouldn't feel the need to steal

(You might think the last point is the most naive one, but in my experience the economic growth was the only thing that actually worked)

Hopelessness has it's own self-fulfillment. In order to change a thing you have to wish for something, and if you can't imagine a better future, then you can't get one

The problematic thing is the implication that holding a similar view automatically makes you a part of the same organization.

Terrorist groups are more traditionally defined as an organized groups that use terrorism as a military tactic to achieve their goals.

noblogs.org never used such tactics nor supported them.

If we call anyone a terrorist, if they have at least one view similar to those who did terrorist acts, we only need 2 quite specific terrorist acts to cover all earths population.

The action is against Autistici Inventati, not noblogs. The govt argument is

>Autistici Inventati [...] exclusively provides its services to vetted individuals, collectives, and groups it perceives to be aligned with its ideology, including to sanctioned terrorist organizations...

The other side is: my grandmother could survive heatwave just because her house wasn't heating up that much. It's old, it's stone, stone is just good at keeping temperature even. And the air coming through the windows passes through trees that are good at lowering temperature.

Even if it got a bit hot – like it does in mine, that has less volumetric heat capacity — simple floor scrub lowers temperature. Evaporating water is just a very good at that, and floor is a big area.

If we take a house made of paper and place it in a place with no trees and a lot of asphalt, I believe that AC could become a necessity. No amount of evaporating water could help you to fight heat rising from the road.

But I much prefer better houses and city planning

There is nothing wrong with murdering a million lives while iteratively developing – it's how we grow and study bacteria after all. Any person that fixed their gut by sticking to a diet also did exactly that.

So if we are concerned with the AGI suffering, then we don't need to determine consciousness at all. We just need to prove that they don't have suffering capabilities. Which is a way easier question.

It's easy to say it's easy, much more difficult to prove what can be idealized as suffering.

My daughter said she 'suffered' when I didn't get her ice cream (I know, I'm a monster). She didn't really suffer, but her behavior was as if she was.

So yes/no suffering is only part of the equation. Building systems that act/react like their suffering could be even more dangerous.

> She didn't really suffer, but her behavior was as if she was.

Wait what? Why do you believe she didn't actually suffer?

Because pixl97 is operating in the real world where children often make exaggerated claims, not some hypothetical, abstract, ideal world where they can be trusted to always tell the truth at all times.

Which reminds me of a funny "kids being kids" story I heard in a different forum. This guy mentioned a time when his not-quite-one-year-old son, who couldn't even walk yet, planned and carried out a highly complex (for a 1-year-old) plan to deceive his father. The father had some vinyl records that the son was not allowed to touch, even though they were on a shelf the son could reach. (I've tried childproofing a house. You just can't get every single thing high enough off the ground. Sometimes you have to leave some things within the baby's reach. And once they're toddlers, able to reach up to get things even two feet off the ground? Forget about it). The father was sitting in his chair reading the newspaper, but watching the son out of the corner of his eye. The son looked at the records, looked at his father (who appeared not to be looking in his direction), looked at the records, then crawled in a direction that was not straight towards the records. He then repeated this process, moving slowly towards the forbidden records without ever making a straight line towards them. He looked at his father again, reached one had towards his prize, and a voice came from behind his father's newspaper: "Stop. You know you're not allowed to touch that."

And that's when the child learned that Daddy Knows Everything! :-)

That's like a 4-5 seconds of low paid work for each transaction, though. 10 seconds, if I'm being generous. Counting a lot of cash is a long process, but each separate banknote is counted in a fraction of a second.

So, about 4-8 cents, for 30$/hour if we talk about grocery store.

Restaurant might take more time to process cash, but pays lower salary.

I do not think it's a higher cost than current credit card fees

As a past civil engineer, I can't manufacture concrete.

But I still could calculate and write an electrical design project and draw all necessary plans and schemes without touching PC once – if I have a ruler, few pens and enough time (I would have to reference standards, but I did have most standards in print version)

I doubt your metaphor really fit. Was manufacturing ever an engineer job?

Many specialties contribute to the manufacture of prestressed concrete. Materials scientists, chemical engineers, metallurgical engineers, mechanical engineers, structural engineers, tooling engineers to design casting beds, quality control engineers, etc.

But in the early days of prestressed concrete (1920, 1930), a single civil engineer performed all of these functions.

The point is that the role of the modern civil engineer has changed and specialized over the decades. You can be a very competent civil engineer without having the knowledge or experience needed to perform every specialty.

Just because our ancestors in the 1940s handwrote binary sequences, and in the 1950s they handwrote assembly, and in the 1960s they handwrote FORTRAN, doesn't mean that today's software engineers need to be able to do any of that.

They don't need to because that's usually not what the job calls for, but I would think most people who call themselves software engineers believe they would be able to work at a job where they wrote FORTRAN instead of Python. It's just another programming language, you just have to spend a month to learn it. Assembly is just another programing language. Opcodes is just assembly without syntactic sugar. But of course that's not what my job calls for today, but if it did, it's not really any different in my mind from any new job where I'm doing something different, but just applying my software skills slightly differently.

Slightly off topic, but that would be a great name for a curry restaurant

Or a dried-fruit retailer.

IGMC.

I think that this task will fall on governments.

Mostly because they already are responsible for systematizing documents that are needed to recognize us as citizens, land or car owners, etc.

Some laid back countries might allow companies to take and manage that function, but I don't think most of them would. Especially not in current landscape where people heard "you are the product" from all tech companies for the last 10 or so years.