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yeah similar thing happened to me

gov website changed, seems to have ditched buggy "new" data-collection features

said I couldn't find the menus even after logging in...

shares screenshot and 'expected menu paths' to get there, says "it's simple, look! claude says look there"

repeatedly asked "have you actually checked?" but... reply was "listen, I'm doing a big favor to you..."

...fking crazy...

some people are treating LLMs as some god-send truths

now, since this is coming from the C-level, I can't expect anything good to happen here


well maybe that comment was to diverge public opinion on "anti-counterfeit" here...

the main discussion here was about chinese ecommerce (temu, aliexpress) selling counterfeit fake products...

and this guy shows up saying "products are unsafe!"

well that pattern is a bit... too obvious to me


well if you're some random guy in china pretending to be a company, that PIPCU can't kick in your doors

and it takes only few typings and clickings to forge a new company ID...

so... solution? deposit money for ID-guarantee.


well that holds IF svgmaxxing is 100% "code-writing-maxxing"

...which.. hmm I dunno if they are same or not


No, the point is that a general-ish ability to draw good SVGs is a useful ability in itself. People need SVGs for all sorts of purposes, and if AI can generate one for them, that's mostly useful (discussions about art and employment etc notwithstanding).

That said, I think this would correlate relatively little with general programming ability. They're not unrelated, of course, but being able to generate code that paints an accurate + esthetically pleasing image is quite different from generating code that achieves a non-spatial goal.


If people need to generate good-ish SVG why not simply use a specialized model for a much better result and for far cheaper and quicker?

Why do LLMs need to be able to do this as well, but worse, slower and more expensive?


Yeah, if you want to generate an aesthetically pleasing SVG, you'd be better off asking a pixel-based image-generation model for "vector art" and then deconstructing it into an equivalent SVG with something like LayerPeeler. https://layerpeeler.github.io/


For example I do SVG diagrams to explain architecture and specific data flows in a multi-tier app.

LLMs do a great job because they understand both code and SVGs well.

Edit:

An example for a synth I'm buulding: https://imgur.com/a/U694Ek7

The irony of having to post it as a PNG isn't lost on me...


This is not a strong use case. I could have made this in Microsoft word when I was 13 years old.

Why on earth would you let an LLM do this when it would take you 10 min to do this in Figma or Inkscape or even just Word


Because it reads the code and generates this in a single pass in 5 minutes.

I haven't read the code.

Why would I do it in a slower, more difficult way for something that's going to be outdated in 2 hours?


I'd be very impressed by anyone who can produce that in Figma or Word in ten minutes.


These are rectangles with some fill and strokes, textboxes lines and arrows. If the text has already been written, and the author has a clear idea of the flow all it takes are some a dozen or so points and click, and setting a couple of fills, then copy pastes, and finally some resizes, selects and moves.

This design is trivial. I admit it would be hard to achieve in Word (or at least for me because I don’t know how to make a diagram in Word any more) but Figma and Inkascape are made to do these things, and have optimized UI for that (personally I would have just used mermaid though).

I think you may have lost your faith in human capabilities just a little bit if you think drawing stuff like this takes any time or effort at all. Compared to designing and architecturing the system, drawing the diagram is trivial. Now I know that my parent did neither but it seems like they vibe-coded the whole thing. I’m sure they will end up with a fun little toy from the whole endeavor they can play with for 2 weeks before abandoning. Maybe the author will even feel bad about the carbon footprint of this whole exercise and buy some carbon offsets to make up for it.


> I’m sure they will end up with a fun little toy from the whole endeavor they can play with for 2 weeks before abandoning.

That's exactly the idea - except it's more like 2 hours before I prototype the next version.

> Maybe the author will even feel bad about the carbon footprint of this whole exercise and buy some carbon offsets to make up for it.

The passive aggressiveness of this is perfectly weighted and admirably phrased.


I am glad you get to have fun while people you will never meet and live in Sweden or Virginia have to suffer higher electricity prices. But we all get to enjoy the warmer climate together. But at least you can enjoy your self having the plagiarizer build you a single use toy that only took the carbon footprint of entire nations to create.


AI consumed around 0.5% of the world’s electricity in 2025[1]

Where I'm from data centers help the renewable mix by subsidizing transmission from other geographic zones. I'm actually improving the environment by using it.

[1]https://ourworldindata.org/how-much-energy-do-data-centers-a...


Agree directionally - even back in sonnet 3.5 days, I was helping some friends by showing them how to create intermediate representations for SVG building blocks mapping to parametrizable functions that can be used to make interactive SVG-rendered visualizations for various medical needs.


I don't see why that's true. LLMs don't have to only be good at code-writing.


well if you looked at blender 2 days, UI was really "user-hostile" level difficult/un-intuitive

I think about blender 4? there was a big UI overhaul here


> engineer and a principle force behind this technology

well he's not some biochemist...

and even biochemists have trouble within their own field because there's so much 'unknown' stuff in biochem (eg Thalidomide scandal)


well... maybe color blindness?


> I don't recall anyone disliking types

> where people would say goofy things like they couldn't use Python because it's untyped. That's insane: Python is strongly typed. It's also dynamically typed, which is a different dimension.

hmm maybe you don't understand type-checking INSIDE IDE, NOT during runtime?


That is what the parent author means. Static vs dynamic typing is along the dimension of when the type is checked, and strong vs weak typing is a matter of how strongly bound names adhere to types. JS, for instance, is super weak here, you can assign a numerical value to something and in the next line re-assign it to a string, an array, or even a function object.


That's also true of Python, though, which is traditionally considered a strongly typed language.

I'm increasingly convinced that "strong/weak" has no useful meaning. Some people regularly use it interchangeably with "static/dynamic", others use it to vaguely refer to how much casting exists in a language, or how easy it is to transmute a value of one type into a value of a different type. There is no academic definition at all.

Mostly it gets used as a kind of cheap attack - it's like the meme "it's over, I've portrayed you as the soyjack and me as the chad". Good languages are strong, bad languages are weak, so if I say your favourite language has weak typing, and my favourite language has strong typing, then it's clear that my favourite language must be superior.

In general, I think it's more helpful to just reference the specific language feature you're talking about. Rather than say that JavaScript is a weakly typed language, instead say that there are a lot of implicit type conversations. Rather than say Erlang is strongly typed, say that there is no variable reassignment or shadowing. That way, you avoid the ambiguity about what you actually mean when you talk about strong or weak typing.


My understanding of weak typing is about allowing automatic type conversion. “3” + 1 === “31”, 1 + “3” === 4. Strong typing doesn’t auto convert.


This is one of the more common definitions, yes, but it's not used very consistently. The comment I replied to used a different definition, and I also commonly see the definition that weak typing is the ability to convert a type from one form to another (à la C).

Like I said, if you're going to talk about automatic type conversion, then calling it "automatic type conversion" is probably the simplest option - strong vs weak typing doesn't really need to come into it. Then you avoid any definitional confusion.


Pretty much. There's probably better examples but using some of what's come up here so far: python is strong+dynamic, javascript is weak+dynamic, typescript is weak+static*, java is strong+static.

* Maybe. Not quite sure about "weak" for this one, but I think it makes sense because you can just lie to typescript and then after compilation it just runs as javascript.


hmm maybe the plaintiff should sue nvidia?


hmm g00se?


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