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One can, say, hate America and feel its lunch is about to be munched by China and still read:

  “These labs generated over 16 million exchanges with Claude through approximately 24,000 fraudulent accounts…”
and think “oh, there’s alleged evidence of distillation“.


The source is just anthropic saying what they believe and not providing any evidence beyond what they say. No raw chat logs to analyze independently. That's American exceptionalism


It’s not as trustworthy as it could be. Are you using the term as commonly known?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism

  Seymour Martin Lipset, a prominent American political scientist and sociologist, argues that the United States is exceptional in that it started from a revolutionary event. He therefore traces the origins of American exceptionalism to the American Revolution, from which the U.S. emerged as "the first new nation" with a distinct ideology, and having a unique mission to transform the world. This ideology, which Lipset calls "Americanism" but is often also referred to as "American exceptionalism", is based on liberty, individualism, republicanism, democracy, meritocracy, and laissez-faire economics; these principles are sometimes collectively referred to as "American exceptionalism".

  As a term in political science, American exceptionalism refers to the United States' status as a global outlier both in good and bad ways. Critics of the concept say that the idea of American exceptionalism suggests that the U.S. is better than other countries, has a superior culture, or has a unique mission to transform the planet and its inhabitants.
Like, when I consider the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments or MK Ultra, or Flock, I have bad things to say about them but American exceptionalism specifically wouldn’t cross my mind. Corporations anywhere playing a card close to the chest or even lying… superiority, exceptionalism, aren’t my top reference points.


Since America is the first new nation, and individualism is a core value, the antithesis, communism, presents a direct threat. It's true that china can then be seen as a threat. My problem is with this bit: having a unique mission to transform the world. As we see with the pax silica agreement, even though it's not the stated mission of pax silica, the people behind it were born around that idea since a young age. No frontier US models is open source. Dario did not say in his open source letter, that his concerns about china also apply to the US, even though both countries are using ai in missiles today. I am just tired of this double standard where something is only bad if china or some other country does it like Singapore washing or the Panama papers even though it is standard corporate strategy worldwide to use legal domiciles in a country other than your own for fundraising or tax evasion. When Google does it, names are assigned like the Delaware loophole, but are spread far less than Singapore washing or the Panama papers


that seems like an american definition of american exceptionalism?

everyone else uses it as "Americans love to criticize everyone else, while pretending their farts dont stink"


Perhaps.

Perhaps partially covered in the “Critics of the concept say…”

Certainly weird to think the US isn’t chock full of problems (even if historically some stuff has been neat, like bringing together cultures and developing nifty tech in Silicon Valley).




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