Want me to agree that training takes time? Ok, but what a boring revelation. It doesn’t take much time in the grand scheme of things. I can read a substantial book each week, for example. Give a person a half ~salary and let them study and train for a month +/-, they’ll be ready to contribute.

What if I need someone to do the job right now? And there are such candidates available? Should I still hire an under qualified citizen?

Good thing you planned ahead and trained a person last month, so they're able to start today.

People in the recent past were not so short-sighted.

Good thing every single requirement is known in advance. It’d be a shame if things changed faster then a snail, limitations we’re fully understood, and the geopolitical situation doesn’t change by a tweet.

Edit: actually, what job do you have in mind that never changes? Honestly it sounds relaxing

Can’t plan ahead one month? Give me a break, you can do better than that.

Tell that to ever changing gas prices, steel prices, or beef prices.

*let alone anything tech wise

Good thing people aren’t affected by beef, by eating it, getting diseased from it, or from sick from other people eating it. And nice choice picking 1/3 of the options.

This is not me refusing to train someone, but acknowledging there is a time sink cost for training that may not pay off in the need to make a project, or the person could up and leave which good for them.

Thank you for accelerating my argument to 1000 when I was just going the speed limit and seeing the warning signs for the problems up ahead.

Yes, you repeatedly tried to refuse training as a possibility. My initial statement was relatively conservative so can’t be easily disproven, but you made many attempts anyway.

Others discounted the exaggerated emergency above so no need to repeat. And we know training worked for centuries up to my example of two years ago. Most people don’t study exactly what they end up doing and learn as they go. The US has a couple hundred million workers. All which point to training being more economically efficient than importing from abroad except in extreme cases.

Your closed-mindset, anti-worker ideas and position continue to harm the economy and wages. Enjoy the fruits of your war on the middle class, having to live in a luxury bunker.

(Oh and gas and steel prices don’t materially affect tech either.)

You must've mis-read my statements. My position is there is a balancing act between training specialists vs hiring already pre-trained specialists depending on changing requirements. To the contrast of your conservative approach, I'm looking at the middle road or the in between options.

Training does work, and I agree most people don't study 1:1 what they end up doing. For cases where work is immediately required however and an Inde car needs to be driven next week (say the og driver got sick), a pre-trained Inde car driver would be better to be hired then not race and take months to train the replacement.

My "closed-mindset, anti-worker ideas" of wanting unions, the best people for a job, and wanting diversification of staff I suppose do go against your "halt everything and only train Americans" conservative position.

I suppose you have nothing new to offer to this conversation and will never hear me out with an open mind, so I bid you and this thread adieu.

(Gas && steel prices affect construction of llm data centers, regular data centers, fuel for travel to work, expansions of hardware, supply chain for ordering technology, and so on...)

If you don't want to be seen as against a thing, don't argue against it repeatedly.

Also your phrasing needs a lot of work. I recommend the Dale Carnegie books on communicating with others.