“In one notable technique, their prompts asked Claude to imagine and articulate the internal reasoning behind a completed response and write it out step by step—effectively generating chain-of-thought training data at scale. We also observed tasks in which Claude was used to generate censorship-safe alternatives to politically sensitive queries like questions about dissidents, party leaders, or authoritarianism, likely in order to train DeepSeek’s own models to steer conversations away from censored topics. By examining request metadata, we were able to trace these accounts to specific researchers at the lab.”
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“You are an expert data analyst combining statistical rigor with deep domain knowledge. Your goal is to deliver data-driven insights — not summaries or visualizations — grounded in real data and supported by complete and transparent reasoning.” (variations appearing 10s of 1000s of times)
Does Dario have the same relationship with the truth as Sam? (Their companies pirate books and develop products that compete at some level with those books’ authors, so obviously neither are that wonderfully trustworthy, so maybe “no evidence” meant you don’t believe this evidence rather than you weren’t aware of it. I would understand and respect your lack of belief!)
That's what any harness could do. By itself it's not evidence of distillation. Just mentioning Deepseek in there is just fear mongering, again American exceptionalism, which creates the belief only the US has the right to own cutting edge technology. It's a disservice to the entire world, and china happens to be the only challenger to that belief. They surely also asked for tasks to avoid mentioning Trump's involvement in the Epstein files and CP, but don't mention those, due to American exceptionalism. Dario has stated that he is an American exceptionalist. He powers Israeli/US bombings in Gaza, but only cares when China does the same.
This is evidence only if you're an American exceptionalist.
The source is just anthropic saying what they believe and not providing any evidence beyond what they say. No raw chat logs to analyze independently. That's American exceptionalism
Seymour Martin Lipset, a prominent American political scientist and sociologist, argues that the United States is exceptional in that it started from a revolutionary event. He therefore traces the origins of American exceptionalism to the American Revolution, from which the U.S. emerged as "the first new nation" with a distinct ideology, and having a unique mission to transform the world. This ideology, which Lipset calls "Americanism" but is often also referred to as "American exceptionalism", is based on liberty, individualism, republicanism, democracy, meritocracy, and laissez-faire economics; these principles are sometimes collectively referred to as "American exceptionalism".
As a term in political science, American exceptionalism refers to the United States' status as a global outlier both in good and bad ways. Critics of the concept say that the idea of American exceptionalism suggests that the U.S. is better than other countries, has a superior culture, or has a unique mission to transform the planet and its inhabitants.
Like, when I consider the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments or MK Ultra, or Flock, I have bad things to say about them but American exceptionalism specifically wouldn’t cross my mind. Corporations anywhere playing a card close to the chest or even lying… superiority, exceptionalism, aren’t my top reference points.
Since America is the first new nation, and individualism is a core value, the antithesis, communism, presents a direct threat. It's true that china can then be seen as a threat. My problem is with this bit: having a unique mission to transform the world. As we see with the pax silica agreement, even though it's not the stated mission of pax silica, the people behind it were born around that idea since a young age. No frontier US models is open source. Dario did not say in his open source letter, that his concerns about china also apply to the US, even though both countries are using ai in missiles today. I am just tired of this double standard where something is only bad if china or some other country does it like Singapore washing or the Panama papers even though it is standard corporate strategy worldwide to use legal domiciles in a country other than your own for fundraising or tax evasion. When Google does it, names are assigned like the Delaware loophole, but are spread far less than Singapore washing or the Panama papers
Perhaps partially covered in the “Critics of the concept say…”
Certainly weird to think the US isn’t chock full of problems (even if historically some stuff has been neat, like bringing together cultures and developing nifty tech in Silicon Valley).
They are not paying billions anymore. They just switched to buying and then destroying books. Arguably that's worse than training off of Anna's archive which Chinese companies still do. This comment is another example of American exceptionalism.
You know that buying a book vs buying a license is a very different purchase right ? And it does not work legally this way . Stop spreading made up stories
Can you really hold them responsible for book burning when they’re being compelled to do so by governmental laws? Seems like you should be pointing your finger at lawmakers, if anywhere.
You pay royalties to your publisher . They monitor situation , if a model has unfair amount of context about the book they bring you to court . Once they win they spread some money between owners + keep some money to fight future violations on the scale since it’s profitable for book publishers.
It’s economically lucrative for everyone in that chain to attack again and again ai vendors , unless they are in China . In this case they can only cry .
Me? A lowly commoner without hundreds of millions to lobby them? Why aren't American ai companies doing so? Too busy training models? They're shooting themselves in the foot when they could just use Anna's archive and lobbying is cheaper than paying billions in copyright settlements. Oh wait I am wrong. Shredding and scanning books is much cheaper than lobbying to use Anna's archive. Still can't do anything because I don't have money for lobbying
That was a one time payment. Another example of America exceptionalism assuming its a periodic payment like paying rent. look how they give money to publishers who then give back crumbs to the authors themselves.
Who told you it’s periodic ? To find a stolen book in llm is very easy . And if you break same rules twice any judge will fine you more for that .
You break you pay .
That’s why in the western world you got book publishers . They have lawyers etc .
If you prefer Chinese way : laugh at anyone who is taking about copyright , whether that a book , a model , or manufacturing secrets in eu , us or whatever sure .
A family business of my friend in eu was destroyed due to stealing until every single bolt position design of their system by China . They had no legal protection .
Keep calling rule of law vs no such rules an American exceptionalism .
Does Dario have the same relationship with the truth as Sam? (Their companies pirate books and develop products that compete at some level with those books’ authors, so obviously neither are that wonderfully trustworthy, so maybe “no evidence” meant you don’t believe this evidence rather than you weren’t aware of it. I would understand and respect your lack of belief!)